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PostSubject: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:00 pm

First off a little something about hacks...

Hacks are nothing more then applications which change memory to give you an edge in the game. In short it changes the memory favlues which store the transparency of walls to give you a wallhack etc etc.

That being said, there are many ways to make a hack, all must "hook" functions of the actual game to edit these memories. Ok so with that being said, a lot of different hacks have been made, using different methods. Most public hacks, and I mean a good 99% of them are detected. Not by their name but by their hook. How they change memory.

Here is the thing about VAC; they are not stupid. When a hack maker creates a hack the method of either injection or hook may already be detected. A lot of hacks may be public but the ways they are created are not. So, VAC realizing this says "hey, we are not going to kick or ban right away, that will make it obvious what is detected in our system, so we will use a delay before we ban them to keep creators and cheaters guessing." And it works. So you play with a hack, delete it right after doesn't matter, and a day, week, month or half a year later you could be perminantly banned. No way of knowing why or how, just banned.

Now as for "lulz why don't you just get a fake account", the reason is because there is no such thing. The cloest thing to this is a cafe account which typically does not get banned because Valve understands that an array of people may be using it, and it's under a special license.

You cannot spoof a steam ID becuase each key is stored in a database as active or inactive, trying to spoof an existing steam id without a valid password is the same as trying to guess a password. Trying to spoof a key not yet activated wont connect to the steam servers. So you don't have an option there. You cannot try to program your way into unbanning yourself because that is not controlled by a third party software like punkbuster, VAC is built in.

So to sum it up, if you're stupid enough to cheat try to be smart enough to understand the mechanics of it. You will get banned, your account will never be unbanned and it will suck a lot.

No, don't send messages on how to make hacks, about programming a hack or hacking in general. If you have any other questions about C,C++ or C# feel free to hit me up.

(On a side note, the reason it's possible (but not necessairly easy) to get around a ban set by punkbuster is because their application is not built into the game (the control an array of games) and their software has to be loaded independantly, giving you access to their software. You can try to debug their dll's and detour / hook their own functions to prevent a kick / ban, but that's it. Even then you can find a lot of source code guiding your way to do this but it isn't easy. It's way easier to just not cheat. Get some skill and have fun.
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:26 pm

wow i really have no idea what this is about elie haha.. guess im not up on the lingo these days Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:20 am

AND.... you are totally WRONG! Fag Executable hacks change your DLL file, while materials edit texture transparencies!


YOU CAN SPOOF IDs!


AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO HAVE FAKE STEAMS!


ON YOUR KNEES AND START SUCKING BITCH


LOL VAC = NOT SECURE! Get with it you wannabe Programmer Fag

LOL im fluent in Cbasic, C++, Hex, Java, AND FORTRAN! GTFO WANNABE BITCH
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:23 am

i couldnt read the whole thing, too much.
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:00 pm

Sweet.Sprayer wrote:
AND.... you are totally WRONG! Fag Executable hacks change your DLL file, while materials edit texture transparencies!


YOU CAN SPOOF IDs!


AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO HAVE FAKE STEAMS!


ON YOUR KNEES AND START SUCKING BITCH


LOL VAC = NOT SECURE! Get with it you wannabe Programmer Fag

LOL im fluent in Cbasic, C++, Hex, Java, AND FORTRAN! GTFO WANNABE BITCH

Materials can edit rtransparency, and if you knew anything an "executable" hack (do you mean native?) can also edit transperency of models.

You cannot spoof ids, it does work. I am sucking nothing.

Do you want me to start pasting code as a proof of concept?

FURTHERMORE you don't have to "edit" the dll files, first off you can change offsets in game for desired effects OR you can use detours to HOOK (override) the game functions to boot.

Again, do you need proof of concepts?

As for your spoofing of ids, no it cannot be done.
Provide one proof of concept to prove me wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:08 pm

sweet, did u get owned?
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:54 pm

On this topic as you both know I probs am the easest to hacka ect ect but i want o know who actually knows how good are both of you one one hand we got y man sweet who for all what may have been said about him he was always good to/with me and then elie your a nubbie to this as in i never seen you b4 b4 i do think your a dude so..................... who has got the upper hand in this convo then???


Sweet you better be right in what your sayin cause i used to rely on you for help :p

<3 both of you xxxx
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:11 pm

Irish_Bhoy wrote:
On this topic as you both know I probs am the easest to hacka ect ect but i want o know who actually knows how good are both of you one one hand we got y man sweet who for all what may have been said about him he was always good to/with me and then elie your a nubbie to this as in i never seen you b4 b4 i do think your a dude so..................... who has got the upper hand in this convo then???


Sweet you better be right in what your sayin cause i used to rely on you for help :p

<3 both of you xxxx

WTF did that say? i couldn't make head or tails of this chicken scratch, i mean a few words and maybe like one sentence, but it didn't make very much sense.. Where you drunk?

<3 Irish
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:23 pm

`StealthyOwned.GoG wrote:
Irish_Bhoy wrote:
On this topic as you both know I probs am the easest to hacka ect ect but i want o know who actually knows how good are both of you one one hand we got y man sweet who for all what may have been said about him he was always good to/with me and then elie your a nubbie to this as in i never seen you b4 b4 i do think your a dude so..................... who has got the upper hand in this convo then???


Sweet you better be right in what your sayin cause i used to rely on you for help :p

<3 both of you xxxx

WTF did that say? i couldn't make head or tails of this chicken scratch, i mean a few words and maybe like one sentence, but it didn't make very much sense.. Where you drunk?

<3 Irish

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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:09 pm

`StealthyOwned.GoG wrote:
Irish_Bhoy wrote:
On this topic as you both know I probs am the easest to hacka ect ect but i want o know who actually knows how good are both of you one one hand we got y man sweet who for all what may have been said about him he was always good to/with me and then elie your a nubbie to this as in i never seen you b4 b4 i do think your a dude so..................... who has got the upper hand in this convo then???


Sweet you better be right in what your sayin cause i used to rely on you for help :p

<3 both of you xxxx

WTF did that say? i couldn't make head or tails of this chicken scratch, i mean a few words and maybe like one sentence, but it didn't make very much sense.. Where you drunk?

<3 Irish


haha
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:13 am

Yea he lost me after the first couple words!!! <3
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:10 am

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Yea he lost me after the first couple words!!! <3
DAng i was wasted lol I don't even know i was on here last nite oops
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:15 pm

IT WAS LATE AND I HAD DRUNK SOME.

ALSO ELIE IS FULL OF IT.

Hooks EDIT DLLs, and exe. files dont edit transparencies they load New Materials Within the EXE. to the game

WHY DONT YOU STOP READING THE MPCFORUMS AND START LEARNING ACTUAL CODING!

OWNED!!! END OF STORY
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:48 pm

Sweet.Sprayer wrote:
IT WAS LATE AND I HAD DRUNK SOME.

ALSO ELIE IS FULL OF IT.

Hooks EDIT DLLs, and exe. files dont edit transparencies they load New Materials Within the EXE. to the game

WHY DONT YOU STOP READING THE MPCFORUMS AND START LEARNING ACTUAL CODING!

OWNED!!! END OF STORY

To stop youre biickering and hopefully realize you are wrong

Code:

//globals
bool wallhack = false;
//end globals
 
//DrawIndexedPrimitive
DWORD NoWallhack;
      if(GetAsyncKeyState(VK_F1)&1)
    {
              if(wallhack == false) {wallhack = true;}
              if(wallhack == true) {wallhack = false;}
      }

      if(wallhack = true && m_Stride == 64)
      {
                  d3d9device->GetRenderState(D3DRS_ZENABLE, &NoWallhack);
                  d3d9device->SetRenderState(D3DRS_ZENABLE, D3DZB_FALSE);
                  d3d9device->SetRenderState(D3DRS_ZFUNC, D3DCMP_NEVER);
      }

            if(wallhack = false && m_Stride == 64)
      {

             d3d9device->SetRenderState(D3DRS_ZENABLE, NoWallhack);
                d3d9device->SetRenderState(D3DRS_ZFUNC,D3DCMP_LESSEQUAL);
      }

Wallhack. No materials.

Anything else?

(credits to t10101 for quick solution)

as for your "Hooks EDIT DLLs, and exe. files dont edit transparencies they load New Materials Within the EXE. to the game" comment, a hook doesn't edit a dll it overrides a given function. .exe files can edit transperencies, and theres no need to "load new materials within an exe" (what does this mean) where you can just load materials where vac doesnt do md5 checksums on materials.

If I where you, I'd stop you're boasting about knowing languages. Stop telling me to stop checking out mpcforum and maybe you should read a thing or two yourself there. You might learn something that you didn't know previously.
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:54 pm

NO!!!!!!! I would never got to MPC forum. everyone there just copies each others codes.

IT IS APPARENT THAT YOU DO!

Now Good Job Posting that string. Hope U get VACCED!
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:56 pm

Sweet, it's apparent this dude knows more about this shit than you do.
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:12 pm

Bob fuckin' Vila wrote:
Sweet, it's apparent this dude knows more about this shit than you do.

Just to play it safe, I do not nor have I ever cheat at online multiplayer games. This discussion is all merely proof of concept and to inform you guys about the inner workings of VAC and Steam. Hopefully the above will make you understand the workings of a programmer who developes cheats or a person who uses them. If you see a hacker, VAC tends to wait a significant amount of time before initiating a VAC ban simply to not make obvious which cheats are detected. That was the only point being iterated.

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NO!!!!!!! I would never got to MPC forum. everyone there just copies each others codes.

IT IS APPARENT THAT YOU DO!

Now Good Job Posting that string. Hope U get VACCED!
Refusing to browse those forums is your choice, but don't refuse out of spite. You may learn a great deal about hacks, and to create servierside applications to detect those hacks based off the public hooking methods, to lead to a more secure server with hackers (google cdeath for a prime example, one of the best anti-cheating programs of it's time before its eventual demise).

As for my browsing of MPC? I browse an array of sites related to programming, which isn't limited to MPC (the snipper of code above was not obtained from MPC).

Don't take offence Sweet.sprayer, I only intend to show you the possabilities that are possible, if I say something it is because I know it to be true and have the ability to show you that.
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:48 am

possibilities that are possible

welcome to the department of the redundancy department Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:06 am

chill fellas, sweet u got owned i think. dont get mad tahts just the truth .
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:40 am

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chill fellas, sweet u got owned i think. dont get mad tahts just the truth .

lmao. pubbin is so confused he can't tell if sweet got owned or not ^^ . ....... ... .... wait, idk if he did either
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:26 am

man envy...i didnt WHAT THE FUCK they were talking about lol just sounded like sweet lost

prob cuz elie had more to proove
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:27 pm

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man envy...i didnt WHAT THE FUCK they were talking about lol just sounded like sweet lost

prob cuz elie had more to proove

or a lotta fluff(words) in which the fact that u can make a 10 min. speech with half a page of info Razz
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:49 pm

WALL OF FUCKING TEXT

WHERES THE tl;dr ?
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:06 pm

TL/DR. Wtf do all these letters mean?
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PostSubject: Re: To set a few things straight about a vac ban...   Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:46 pm

tl;dr.

you guys are queer arguing about this shite. why was this thread even made? and in the banned section nonetheless. this is rather rambly and full of programmer angst. definitely for the general section. im moving this.

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